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Susan T. Mahler, MD's avatar

I find this interesting. What I wonder about is whether some losses are pathological in themselves, and whether putting the emphasis on how that person responds is appropriate. I have also treated someone who had traumatically lost a daughter two years earlier. At the time, my own daughter was young. Even now, as a parent, it seems to me the loss of a child is wrong, unexpected, unacceptable, and can only be imagined to cause pathological suffering. Maybe it doesn't matter what the label is, but there are some losses from which people cannot return to baseline.

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Randolph Nesse's avatar

Thanks for this post, Awais. Grief is so awful! And it is so misunderstood by scientists who try to make it more consistent than it is.

I spent three years getting funding and recruiting grief expert collaborators to analyze of one of the best prospective studies of grief ever conducted in hopes of understanding how low mood is useful. (the CLOC study https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/web/ICPSR/studies/3370)

I concluded that there is no way to define "normal" grief, its variations are manifold. A third of our subjects had little or no grief; in contrast to my hypothesis, most of them seemed to have good relationships and stable lives. A third had regular grief with all its variations in symptoms and sequence. A third had a harder time and longer symptoms, but still lots of variation. The best predictor was previous low mood and depression. We found no evidence that delayed grief led to bad outcomes, and what I was taught in psychiatry residency-that prolonged grief was a product of an ambivalent relationship-was just plain wrong. Surviving spouses with ambivalent relationships had less grief than others.

As for evolution and grief, I remain uncertain if it is an adaptation or an epiphenomenon of attachment and the broader capacity for sadness. More work is needed.

Details available at https://www.randolphnesse.com/articles/grief

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