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Sofia Jeppsson's avatar

Criticizing Moncrieff (and similar people) is complicated ... So many laypeople still believe in an extremely simplified chemical imbalance theory (need not be for depression only, but for everything psychiatric). Like some slightly updated version of the medieval humour theory - the four humours of serotonin, dopamin, and ... maybe adrenalin and oxytocin, must be balanced! The doctors job is to balance them.

This can be somewhat helpful for people who try to defend themselves from a constant barrage of "you wouldn't need those pills if you just exercised more or learnt to pull yourself together like the adult you are or ... (insert more blamey stuff)". I gather this is much more common among those on anti-depressants or ADHD-stimulants than if you're on anti-psychotics like I was, and I get that it sucks.

Also, if you ARE a schizo-something-psychosis patient, there's this constant message of "you're basically brain damaged already and if you have a relapse you're gonna get much more brain damage so you GOTTA TAKE YOUR PILLS" and then reading some Moncrieff stuff that questions this narrative really was like a breath of fresh air.

In general, this whole narrow biomedical framework is often pushed on people from clinicians, and it's great to find someone who questions that. (I think people who do research in addition to clinical work, like you do Awais, and who know many other smart people in the field, sometimes underestimate how common all kinds of simplified and/or uninformed bullshit is among both GPs and non-research psychiatrists.)

HOWEVER. Moncrieff is, as far as I know, not Mad herself. Just like traditional psychiatrists, she's got this favourite narrative that she pushes on those concerned. (And even if she were Mad, she shouldn't make sweeping generalizations based on her own case alone, and speak over those who can't make themselves heard in the same way).

She says, for instance, that anti-psychotics only numb people down, and don't actually have an anti-psychotic effect. I think this is intended to be a liberating message, and it might be for those psych patients who have this experience, but their doctors insist that the meds do much more than that and won't listen to what they say. But I did NOT have that experience with Haldol, and telling me that I can't understand my own experiences, but SHE does, is pretty damn disrespectful.

Actually testing this claim would be pretty hard, but it would probably involve something like gradually replacing the anti-psychotics with benzos for one group and not doing it with another, and then it should be double-blind. If people like me, who said they experienced an anti-psychotic effect, couldn't tell the difference between being on Haldol and being on Xanax in a blinded study, that would provide some evidence. But in the absence of evidence, the default position should be to take people's self-reports seriously (thus, taking seriously that the effects of those meds vary a lot between individuals). It should NOT be to assume that Moncrieff is right and everyone else is wrong.

This is a problem not just with Moncrieff, but with lots of critical psychiatrists or anti-psychiatrists. At the end of the day, it's more voices from up high who wants to push THEIR narrative on all the Madpeople, service users, patients, survivors (you do you re terminology) down there, regardless of whether they agree or not.

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Julio Nicanor's avatar

Wow what an excellent rebuttal of Dr Moncrieff, and of the unfortunate article that disseminates her misleading views! I echo Dr. Pies comment: You have taken on a Sisyphean task. It is Sisyphean, and it also reminds me of never-ending battles against zombies in horror movies. Denying the material basis of experience is a zombie idea that should be have been dead long ago - It is in fact dead - but it keeps getting up off the ground and lumbering towards us again and again. .I suspect that the temptation to deny materiality somehow motivates Dr Moncrieff and the journalist who interviewed her - a journalist who mindlessly got the ball and ran with it. Thanks for the detailed reasoning and evidence!

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