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Susan T. Mahler, MD's avatar

Hi Awais,

It's interesting to see from the comments below that your sub-stack is frequented by clinicians and patients alike. It just occurred to me to share it with some of my patients.

There are few forums - are there any others?- that are heterogenous this way, and where a clinician can "come out" as also a patient.

As a psychiatrist who was also pretty depressed, for whom meds and other treatments caused serious problems I also think, like David M, about whether the cure isn't often worse than the disease, and I also try to think about partnering with patients. I think I've actually argued with AA about the validity of diagnosis! I almost never insist that people take medication.

But I was trained in the medical model. It seems like we drs don't feel we have anything to offer unless we are prescribing. We want to feel needed and in control, having worked so hard and acquired so much "knowledge." It's interesting to think about how to re-educate psychiatrists to work in tandem rather than in a top-down model. It runs contrary to medical training.

I definitely feel that there's a way in which I know more as a patient than as a dr, though.

My experience, like David's. has been that, in general, non-MD therapists are more able to see patients as equals; there is less of a polarized dynamic. Of course, MDs also worry about their licenses, litigation, etc. But a real partnership between patient and dr seems unlikely to end badly, in my view.Thanks, as always, for some good reads!

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Chase Elodia's avatar

I love reading your work! A few questions – would love to hear your take, and any recommendations you have for articles/books/podcasts/interviews/films etc. on these subjects that you think might be useful:

1) What do you make of Thomas Szasz’s idea that mental illnesses are not "illnesses/diseases" but issues of insufficient/misaligned incentives? I understand that profound neurological changes take place in addiction, depression, and other conditions, but I find Szasz’s take to be optimistic in that it A) suggests (much like IFS) that you are not ‘broken’ or wrong for enacting a maladaptive coping mechanism – it is a functional response to the horrors of contemporary life, B) charts a potential path out of a cycle of victimization/helplessness in that it meaningfully differentiates between diseases without a cure (cancer) and mental conditions that may respond to therapeutic intervention and C) in so doing emphasizes the human capacity for change.

2) Do you feel like we have arrived at a moment where affective labor has become too medicalized, in the sense that therapeutic relationships are becoming valorized over simply having a robust friend group?

3) Do you feel like, given the a-political nature of therapy, it has the potential to be truly transformative? In other words, to what extent are our "bad feels" the result of internal cognition/ideation and to what extent are they the result of structures of inequity/capital/social life that make people feel bad?

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