Would've loved to have heard how he might have engaged the client based on the different intersubjective reveries around the car accident. Is he implying his somatic discomfort mirrors the client; if he muses on the insurance company, exploring overwhelm would be the resonant choice? That next part is where the humane artistry, or is it grace, emerges?
I highly recommend his articles on The Analytic Third and Reverie and Interpretation. He provides nice examples of how he thinks about intervening.
The major implication is that the therapist’s reverie is informed by the patient, to some degree. Consider the first example of somatic experience and anxiety about a head or neck injury. Ogden is rarely, if ever, going to respond based on that one piece of clinical datum alone. Rather, he is going to consider it along with all other clinical content, (i.e. manifest content, process, affect, transference, etc.). Ogden is considering the theme of injury and pain, along with all other content that is occurring. It’s one many experiences happening in session that together comprise what we might call clinical data. We then formulate a response based on all that data. (I like Patrick Casement’s conceptualization here of something akin to a laboratory. We take the data we have, offer the patient a hypothesis, in the form of our intervention, and then based on how the patient responds, we either confirm or deny all or part of the hypothesis with the new clinical data of the patient’s reaction, and proceed).
For direct examples, check out either of those two articles by Ogden, The Analytic Third and Reverie and Interpretation.
Thanks for the recommendations with those articles, he really does go into the details of using reverie to make connection and meaning. He failed to mention the high level of stillness one would need to access that level of self awareness, psychologically and somatically. But perhaps he addresses that elsewhere.
OGDEN IS THE BEST!
Would've loved to have heard how he might have engaged the client based on the different intersubjective reveries around the car accident. Is he implying his somatic discomfort mirrors the client; if he muses on the insurance company, exploring overwhelm would be the resonant choice? That next part is where the humane artistry, or is it grace, emerges?
I highly recommend his articles on The Analytic Third and Reverie and Interpretation. He provides nice examples of how he thinks about intervening.
The major implication is that the therapist’s reverie is informed by the patient, to some degree. Consider the first example of somatic experience and anxiety about a head or neck injury. Ogden is rarely, if ever, going to respond based on that one piece of clinical datum alone. Rather, he is going to consider it along with all other clinical content, (i.e. manifest content, process, affect, transference, etc.). Ogden is considering the theme of injury and pain, along with all other content that is occurring. It’s one many experiences happening in session that together comprise what we might call clinical data. We then formulate a response based on all that data. (I like Patrick Casement’s conceptualization here of something akin to a laboratory. We take the data we have, offer the patient a hypothesis, in the form of our intervention, and then based on how the patient responds, we either confirm or deny all or part of the hypothesis with the new clinical data of the patient’s reaction, and proceed).
For direct examples, check out either of those two articles by Ogden, The Analytic Third and Reverie and Interpretation.
Thanks for the recommendations with those articles, he really does go into the details of using reverie to make connection and meaning. He failed to mention the high level of stillness one would need to access that level of self awareness, psychologically and somatically. But perhaps he addresses that elsewhere.