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Scott Alexander's avatar

I can't read the full Torrey article, but I'm confused by this and think it might reflect a misunderstanding of genetics.

It sounds like it's expecting there to be one gene which causes schizophrenia, which is no longer how people conceive of genetic conditions working (except a few very simple ones like sickle cell). Rather, there's some portion of the risk which is genetic (in schizophrenia, ~80%), distributed across hundreds or thousands of different genes (including the 300 Torrey mentions and others that we haven't found yet because their effect size is too small).

It's not correct to say that risk genes "play a role in the clinical expression of most diseases but do not cause the disease in the absence of other factors" , except insofar as no single risk gene causes it because you need many of them together.

Maybe Torrey addresses this in his article, but we don't need to speculate about whether schizophrenia is genetic or not - we can just use twin studies, which find that it mostly is. This doesn't mean there's no other factors that affect it, but it puts it firmly in the category of other mostly genetic things like height, which depends primarily on your parents' heights but can be affected by nutritional deficiencies, bone injuries and random embryological events.

Torrey's been pushing various weird infectious theories of schizophrenia for a long time, and confusing "there's no single gene that causes 100% of conditions" with "it's not mostly genetic" is a classic tactic for people who want to do this kind of thing - but although there's a little bit of residual variance for infections to explain, I honestly expected better of him and I'm surprised this argument made it into a journal in 2024.

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Sofia Jeppsson's avatar

Some people in the mental health field really get so hung up on the long game that they become positively hostile to doing what we can here and now. Like, people who are totally opposed to offering any kind of medication-free treatment. They're all like psychosis is in the brain, pure talk therapies were a failed nineteen sixties experiment that we shouldn't repeat, we just gotta do more brain research and make better meds.

Ok. But here and now, there are a substantial portion of people who are "non-responders", or who can't find any medication with tolerable side-effects. So what should we do with that group here and now? Try to find alternative approaches that at least HELPS, even if no one believes anymore that you can sit down and talk about your mother for a hundred hours and then you turn normal? Or should we just tell them to be patient and wait for some future scientific breakthrough that may or may not come?

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