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Giovanni Colella's avatar

Awais, good work, I like how you keep the description observing separate from what clinically we "feel" about it. In psychiatry have needed this discipline for a long time, and the multi-spatial dimension you build around it is a good, stable reference that a clinician can actually use operationally, in a very different way from the way we are using it today. I like it, and I'm with you on the whole program. I also like the coordinated system because it anchors the field on the center of the fact that schizophrenia is a category, and you make a good case for that. Bravo!

Now allow me offer constructive feedback on a piece that I think is missing. I look at the six axes, and I see that five of them are entirely inside the person. The sixth, called Functional Impairment, is a deficit that the patient carries around, but not something that lives in the space that is in between the person and their social construct, their housing, their relationships, their work, their families, the people they love. There's no access for a social context anywhere in this system.

If with epilepsy all we envy about is the EEG the pull towards finding a physical correlate keeps bringing the social off the table. But I think you would agree that the social is where a lot of the outcome actually lives. We see it in the Trieste tradition, in the Clubhouse model, how they are able to move people towards real function, even though the biology is a mystery, and the social determinants literature is now pointing strongly the same way. In your axis the thing that predicts long-term function is staying outside this map.

Here's my ask: could you consider social context and social recovery as a dimension in its own right, putting it alongside symptoms and cognition instead of folding it into one category called Functional Impairment? If the psychosis lives in a multi-dimensional space, we're missing the coordinate of the person's world. Putting it back in the picture makes the whole model stronger and not softer. I would love to see you take that dimension as one axis further. To be fair, I know you're one of the few people in this debate who will give the social its due, and I think this is what the framework is asking for.

Michael Dickson's avatar

Thank you. A lot of worthwhile observations that bear thought. Here are two reactions, brief.

1. Many of the ‘symptoms’ of SCZ are essentially first-personal in nature. Real progress dealing with SCZ (or better, whatever classifications succeed it) will need to involve a serious attempt to investigate the phenomenology of the symptoms. (Some attempts exist. Not nearly enough, and many of them are methodologically suspect IMO.) For example, ‘hallucination’ is not just one thing. I think that right now nobody really knows how best to characterize the relevant types of hallucination. Same for delusion. Until we have a better handle on the phenomenology of these things, we don’t really even know what we’re talking about.

2. Most attempts to understand the ‘symptoms’ of SCZ begin with diagnosed patients. That seems totally fine until we remember that (as you say) diagnosis is currently a mess. For example, diagnosis requires substantial dysfunction. That makes sense for clinical reasons—we don’t need to be treating people who don’t need treatment—but for understanding the nature of the symptoms, restricting attention to the cases where ‘symptoms’ are associated with dysfunction could be blinding us to a lot of evidence. What might we learn, for example, from people involved in the Hearing Voices Network, many of whom hallucinate frequently but do not report clinically significant dysfunction? If we already knew that DSM-styled SCZ is a thing, a natural kind, then it would make sense to set aside persons who are not diagnosed. But (as you also say) we don’t know this. And yet, study after study after study begins by selecting only DSM-diagnosed persons as the subjects.

Thanks again. Lots to consider, here.

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